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我的 - 2006/8/31 10:17:00
[quote]laochangpiancn 在 2006-8-30 15:44:11 发表的内容
本人升级出让NAIM西装一套,型号NAIM112+150+CAP2+CD5i ,有意价格请来电谈,13906210727 潘先生,谢谢![/quote]
可惜是个CD5i ``````
不灭火柴 - 2006/9/3 22:33:00
请教各位naim的用家，我又一对proac t50s，想上naim 5i+nait 5，不知这样的搭配是否合理？出来的声音会是怎样？
我的 - 2006/9/1 22:21:00
NAIM搬回家来已经4个多月了，一开始的时候，感觉透明度不够，低音下不去。好长一段时间就一直开着机。时时看看碟片。
谁知昨天认真听了一下，突然发现大有改观。
驻波基本没有了!透明度提高了!低音双松了不少，下潜了不少!
真不错!
对了，我的器材CD5X；112X；150X；音箱是雨后超五
hififish - 2006/9/2 9:32:00
[quote]我的 在 2006-9-1 22:21:22 发表的内容
NAIM搬回家来已经4个多月了，一开始的时候，感觉透明度不够，低音下不去。好长一段时间就一直开着机。时时看看碟片。
谁知昨天认真听了一下，突然发现大有改观。
驻波基本没有了!透明度提高了!低音双松了不少，下潜了不少!
真不错!
对了，我的器材CD5X；112X；150X；音箱是雨后超五[/quote]
恭喜恭喜！
dave - 2006/9/4 8:55:00
[quote]不灭火柴 在 2006-9-3 22:33:22 发表的内容
请教各位naim的用家，我又一对proac t50s，想上naim 5i+nait 5，不知这样的搭配是否合理？出来的声音会是怎样？
[/quote]绝对没问题
不灭火柴 - 2006/9/6 10:20:00
谢谢楼上的。
听过naim+proac的朋友能否发表下意见啊？
DKNY - 2006/9/6 14:10:00
[quote]不灭火柴 在 2006-9-6 10:20:09 发表的内容
谢谢楼上的。
听过naim+proac的朋友能否发表下意见啊？[/quote]
我在用NAIM 5I +NAIT5 + PROAC R8S,感觉还挺好，尤其听人声和小提琴。刚开始感觉声底稍微薄一点了，很来经过煲机，尤其经过线材的调整，平衡提高很多。应该是不错的选择，海外用家这样搭配也很多。
另外，整套器材非常敏感，后期要下非常多的功夫，才能到位。
雨后初清 - 2006/9/6 12:53:00
[quote]不灭火柴 在 2006-9-6 10:20:09 发表的内容
谢谢楼上的。
听过naim+proac的朋友能否发表下意见啊？[/quote]
老兄可以去这个论坛看一下,好像全世界得NIAM迷都集中在这里了.我在这个论坛搜索过NAIM和ROGERS,SPICA,NEAT等箱子的搭配,都找的到
雨后初清 - 2006/9/6 12:54:00
[quote]雨后初清 在 2006-9-6 12:53:43 发表的内容
[quote]不灭火柴 在 2006-9-6 10:20:09 发表的内容
谢谢楼上的。
听过naim+proac的朋友能否发表下意见啊？[/quote]
老兄可以去这个论坛看一下,好像全世界得NIAM迷都集中在这里了.我在这个论坛搜索过NAIM和ROGERS,SPICA,NEAT等箱子的搭配,都找的到[/quote]
^_^忘了粘贴链接了,http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/48019385
雨后初清 - 2006/9/7 12:48:00
HIFIFISH兄,
请教老兄,就你所知给NAIM前级排个坐次吧.
有劳了!
桃花岛主一世 - 2006/9/7 22:16:00
[quote]雨后初清 在 2006-9-7 12:48:55 发表的内容
HIFIFISH兄,
请教老兄,就你所知给NAIM前级排个坐次吧.
有劳了![/quote]
不好意思，代劳了：）
从低到高依次是：NAC112，202，282，252，552。
桃花岛主一世 - 2006/9/7 22:19:00
[quote]hififish 在 2006-8-26 13:23:13 发表的内容
雨后兄客气了，以后大家多在这里交流。近日小弟竟然又。。。又。。。升级了，真是不见旗舰心不死了！这次是二手的前级52+52ps电源，82表现这么好，真不舍得呀。[/quote]恭喜hififish兄！52前级应该就是现在的NAC252吧，包括NAC282是否都可以用双电源供应器？
hififish - 2006/9/9 14:22:00
[quote]桃花岛主一世 在 2006-9-7 22:19:52 发表的内容
[quote]hififish 在 2006-8-26 13:23:13 发表的内容
雨后兄客气了，以后大家多在这里交流。近日小弟竟然又。。。又。。。升级了，真是不见旗舰心不死了！这次是二手的前级52+52ps电源，82表现这么好，真不舍得呀。[/quote]恭喜hififish兄！52前级应该就是现在的NAC252吧，包括NAC282是否都可以用双电源供应器？[/quote]
多谢岛主! Nac282 和 82 可以用双电源(hicap or flatcap)，但252 和 52 只能用一台SuperCap, 52也可以用52PS（以前Nac52的原配电源，比SuperCap仅仅略逊一筹) .同时,252 和 52 不接Napsc, 而是接SuperCap和52PS上一个叫Digital P/S的输出,和Napcsc功能一样是负责前级面板的电源供应,另一个输出叫Audio P/S(要很粗的电缆,十几条pins) ,负责前级的主要电路.
hififish - 2006/9/9 14:29:00
[quote]桃花岛主一世 在 2006-9-7 22:19:52 发表的内容
[quote]hififish 在 2006-8-26 13:23:13 发表的内容
雨后兄客气了，以后大家多在这里交流。近日小弟竟然又。。。又。。。升级了，真是不见旗舰心不死了！这次是二手的前级52+52ps电源，82表现这么好，真不舍得呀。[/quote]恭喜hififish兄！52前级应该就是现在的NAC252吧，包括NAC282是否都可以用双电源供应器？[/quote]
是的,Nac52就是现在的Nac252
hififish - 2006/9/10 4:07:00
参观一下Naim工厂：
http://www.naim-audio.com/tour.html
enjoyer - 2006/9/9 23:17:00
请问各位用家，naim的CD机是不是要才开电源才好？如果长开电源，是不是不能在机子里有碟的？
hififish - 2006/9/10 3:44:00
[quote]enjoyer 在 2006-9-9 23:17:45 发表的内容
请问各位用家，naim的CD机是不是要才开电源才好？如果长开电源，是不是不能在机子里有碟的？[/quote]
是要常开。使用手册没有提到不可以留碟在cd机里面，不过有些人建议拿开，我自己一向比较懒，所以一向留碟在机子里面，呵呵。
enjoyer - 2006/9/10 14:29:00
谢谢楼上的兄弟!
雨后初清 - 2006/9/14 10:05:00
[quote]hififish 在 2006-9-9 14:29:27 发表的内容
[quote]桃花岛主一世 在 2006-9-7 22:19:52 发表的内容
[quote]hififish 在 2006-8-26 13:23:13 发表的内容
雨后兄客气了，以后大家多在这里交流。近日小弟竟然又。。。又。。。升级了，真是不见旗舰心不死了！这次是二手的前级52+52ps电源，82表现这么好，真不舍得呀。[/quote]恭喜hififish兄！52前级应该就是现在的NAC252吧，包括NAC282是否都可以用双电源供应器？[/quote]
是的,Nac52就是现在的Nac252[/quote]
HIFIFISH兄,
讲讲52和5仔的新表现吧,呵呵
nark - 2006/9/14 14:24:00
请问,前后级92+90, 72+140, 112+150那一种好一点.可说一下这几种机有那些不同吗?想上TAO前后级,那位老兄有升级转让的.
hififish - 2006/9/16 11:06:00
[quote]nark 在 2006-9-14 14:24:45 发表的内容
请问,前后级92+90, 72+140, 112+150那一种好一点.可说一下这几种机有那些不同吗?想上TAO前后级,那位老兄有升级转让的.[/quote]
首选72+140，72是Naim好多年以前的旗舰，音乐味道最足，模拟味道也最足，140对付一般音箱有余（例如雨后5仔）。 112+150比较新，现代味道多一些。如果就同等状态下比，72/140胜出很多。
hififish - 2006/9/16 10:55:00
[quote]雨后初清 在 2006-9-14 10:05:01 发表的内容
[quote]hififish 在 2006-9-9 14:29:27 发表的内容
[quote]桃花岛主一世 在 2006-9-7 22:19:52 发表的内容
[quote]hififish 在 2006-8-26 13:23:13 发表的内容
雨后兄客气了，以后大家多在这里交流。近日小弟竟然又。。。又。。。升级了，真是不见旗舰心不死了！这次是二手的前级52+52ps电源，82表现这么好，真不舍得呀。[/quote]恭喜hififish兄！52前级应该就是现在的NAC252吧，包括NAC282是否都可以用双电源供应器？[/quote]
是的,Nac52就是现在的Nac252[/quote]
HIFIFISH兄,
讲讲52和5仔的新表现吧,呵呵[/quote]
现在还在热机阶段，可能要再等一等。不过在第一周里面，已经觉得低频和张力劲了很多，一些以前听不到的超低频现在是一浸浸地在地板拂过来，人声弦乐更加细致入微，但不觉得非常滑，而是觉得很有模拟的那种味道。可能Naim在教声的时候尽量靠近模拟的风格再加上现代人对音乐的新标准。呵呵，乱写一通，雨后兄要见笑了。
lelexiao - 2006/9/18 13:54:00
CD5X 比CD5I强多少?差别有没有价格那么大?
近期考虑为我的nait 3R换个naim自家的cd.
mdmh - 2006/9/18 15:53:00
[quote]lelexiao 在 2006-9-18 13:54:12 发表的内容
CD5X 比CD5I强多少?差别有没有价格那么大?
近期考虑为我的nait 3R换个naim自家的cd.[/quote]
同问，现在CD5X比5i贵了8K，真的不知道它比5i好了那么多么？本来想买CD5i的，但看到5X贵了那么多，所以很想知道是不是真的值这个钱，如果值的话，就咬咬牙。
dvda - 2006/9/18 22:25:00
[quote]nark 在 2006-9-14 14:24:45 发表的内容
请问,前后级92+90, 72+140, 112+150那一种好一点.可说一下这几种机有那些不同吗?想上TAO前后级,那位老兄有升级转让的.[/quote]
90,140,150之间的差别不大, 92,112何72之间的差别比较大. 112可能是NAIM家族最不值得买的, 争议最多,一改板两次在短短几年内(112X,122). 不过真想玩好72 还要再投资买个电源.
hififish - 2006/9/21 12:52:00
小弟刚刚从一个Naim代理处定了一对99年出的二手Credo音箱，不知道各位看官觉得和我其他Naim合拍吗？Credo上面还有几位大老呢。。。不过这次Credo的价钱很好，而且又是代理卖的，所以就向钱包下了毒手，呵呵。
大奇 - 2006/9/21 22:29:00
hififish兄终于是全套NAIM了,我也是Credo用家,很想听听你对HL5和Credo的评价.
hififish - 2006/9/22 8:02:00
[quote]大奇 在 2006-9-21 22:29:43 发表的内容
hififish兄终于是全套NAIM了,我也是Credo用家,很想听听你对HL5和Credo的评价.[/quote]
大奇兄也用Credo, 太好了! 我的喇叭可能要下星期才到,大奇兄可以先谈谈你的配搭和听感吗?
hififish - 2006/9/22 10:37:00
转载一段对Credo的评论:
Naim’s latest-generation Series 5 components are sonically delectable, despite their entry-level (in Naim terms) pricing and spartan facilities. More importantly, they can be interchanged with other components, making the incorporation of Naim kit into existing systems more than viable.
I’ve reviewed several Naim components recently, but easily one of the most intriguing tests was that of a pair of Naim Credo loudspeakers. I must confess that it’s my first experience of Naim speakers - and one I’m not likely to forget in a hurry.
I used them for part of my review of a Naim system a month or so ago, and have also been told that they are friendly enough to be matched to other, non-Naim brands, given that these are of similar sonic quality.
The Credos employ several of the technologies that rival marques would dub idiosyncratic. For instance, its so-called ‘separate box technology’ approach positions the mid/bass driver in one enclosure, and the tweeter in a completely separate cabinet.
Thus, Naim claims, each driver operates in its own mechanically matched environment, which also means that they interact less to external influences than conventional designs.
The Credo is a two-way floorstanding design, employing an inverted driver configuration. Thus, the mid/bass driver lives in its own, virtually square box, which fits snugly on top of the main cabinet with its soft-dome tweeter.
At face value, the resultant assembly appears to form a sealed, infinite baffle system, but this is not the case. The carefully spaced gap between the two cabinets acts as a subtle, non-turbulent bass port with none of the in-your-face response so often associated with ported designs.
The lower section of the cabinet not only includes the tweeter, but also the crossover network and generous lashings of sound insulation material. The entire assembly is floor-located via an integrated leaf spring, together with the obligatory coupling spikes.
A closer look at the drive units reveals that the tweeter is a classic 19 mm Scanspeak design, accompanied here by a 200 mm mid/bass unit manufactured by Naim itself. It employs an aluminium chassis and a split-mass aluminium phase corrector, which also serves to enhance head dissipation and overall efficiency.
Claimed frequency response is a very broad 35 Hz to 20 kHz at ±3 dB, while sensitivity comes to a fairly easy to drive 89 dB into a nominal 6 ohms. Continuous power handling capability is in the region of 90 watts RMS.
Employing Naim’s own cabling, the Credos were allowed sufficient running-in time before starting to listen more closely to their performance. Initial results were disappointing, with shaky focus, not much in the way of bass and an overall lack of sparkle permeating the performance.
Some experimentation revealed that this was due to the Credos being placed in a freestanding, toed-in set-up, and not against the wall as recommended by Naim. Once this had been sorted out, it was a case of back to the music - and this time, it sounded absolutely awesome.
Suddenly, the entire delivery had firmed up, now notably accompanied by a deep and solid bass, a textured but not overly rich midrange, and very sweet, clear treble. Staging appeared to have opened up at the first chord, with depth, in particular, well represented.
I’ve never heard such a big difference in tonal range, nor such an expansion of staging, as a result of repositioning speakers. And while Naim says the Credo should also be quite content in a freestanding position, it’s clear that this speaker needs to live close up against the rear wall.
There’s no booming, no overexaggeration of the bottom end. Nor does the treble sound edgy, providing a delivery that is both lucid and distinctive. But then, who cares - if the eventual music sounds brilliant, that performance is the only one that really matters.
That transparency, attention to fine detail and an overriding sense of believability are also elements that should not be ignored, adding to the magnetic appeal these Naims exude. Once you’ve heard them, there’s no turning back - these Credos have a sound all of their own, and a magnificent one at that.
Almost forgot that the Credo is available in a host of finishes, including ebony, beech, American cherry and santos rosewood. Thus, you get a speaker set that sounds great, and looks the upmarket part, too.
Hard to believe, we agree - but it’s true!
Deon Schoeman
laochangpiancn - 2006/9/22 15:06:00
[quote]nark 在 2006-9-14 14:24:45 发表的内容
请问,前后级92+90, 72+140, 112+150那一种好一点.可说一下这几种机有那些不同吗?想上TAO前后级,那位老兄有升级转让的.[/quote]
请看:http://hifi.gxcnc.net/hifidb/view.html?type_x=amp&sort_num=7314&pagenum=2&pernum=1&indextype=1