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[quote] 原帖由 [b]逍遥马[/b] 于 2008-6-18 15:08:00 发表
要玩保险管的兄弟请看这;:victory:
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看介绍不错，但对于个人用户只买一、二只的话快递费相对太贵了

同感

转一个论坛上关于2C51/396A/5670/6N3的听感，请问一下这个Tung Sol 的2C51/396A的价格大概多少呢？有人听过效果嘛？


Hi! Some sharing on the 6N3 type of tube which I had tested. The result given is base on my current system which is BADA HD-21, Audiolab 8000A & AE Aegis1. If not include tube performance this system is generally quite fast, detail, light with moderate bass.

Refer photo:
Start upper left:
1) Eclipse-pioneer (E-P) (initial name of bendix redbank~1950-1954)
2) Tungsol 2C51 (label of 2C51 in gold colour)
3) WE396A
4) United electric (UE)

Start lower left:
1) China 6N3J
2) Tungsol 2c51-different inner construction with the above (构造与先前tungsol不同)
3) GE JAN 5670W
5) BENDIX 2C51 (later version of E-P, similar construction)

以下observation is base on my system (组合)only.

1) TUNGSOL (UPPER) -整体比GE来得清晰，轻快，富有弹性，清脆及通透(蛮有胆味)。低音延伸略墙于GE但比E-P&UE弱。声底比WE&E-P略薄。蛮适合座地音箱。

2) ECLIPSE-PIONEER (E-P) - 清晰度和TUNGSOL相若，但声底较厚，低音延伸较好，高音比TUNGSOL略沉/暗但温和。人声不比WE甜美但蛮中性，较少音染(NATURAL) ，蛮爆得。较适合音乐(乐器)爱好者及书架音箱。


3) WE396A- 稍偏中音，人声极为甜美，声底较TUNGSOL&E-P厚但稍慢，低音不足。很适合人声爱好者及座地音箱。

4) GE JAN5670W- 温柔但整体比TUNGSOL&E-P略逊色(速度，清晰度&弹性等) 用于速度快且高分析力的组合该能拉长补短。

5) BENDIX 2C51-声底与E-P相似但整体略逊。(通透度&分析力略逊)

6) UNITED ELECTRIC - 高&低音表现不错但中音蛮弱，也缺乏音乐感。整体比TUNGSOL&E-P模糊。不太适合听人声。可能适合中音过强的组合。

7) 6N3J- (速度和分析力还可以，但高音过亮(有点刺耳)，没什们音乐感。

以上纯粹是我个人意见，在其他组合上可能情况有所不同。

我看到的是另一篇测评：SONIC COMMENTS:
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The 396A WE cryo treated pair arrived safe and sound some time
ago. The 396A WE Cyro is a huge improvement over the stock 'chinese?'
5670. The background noise is non-existent, and I have an all
tube setup: AI M3A and a 7 watt S/E 300B power amp, and dynamics
are improved by an order of magnitude!

The 396A tubes arrived safely to me (Sweden) yesterday. Directly
I changed the (non cryo) WE 396A to your WE 396A. Having Mullard
EL34 in the amps I started to listen and WOW! how is this possible?
The music just came to me!! (Cowboy Junkies-Live double CD) NOW
in perfect 3D, hearing the female voice floating in the room and
ALL the subliminal nuances from the instruments in full glory
AND later in the night changing the Mullards to Svetlana Cryo-Valve
transformed the 3D to an almost perfect HOLOGRAPHIC EFFECT! This
with Brimars 6SL7 and 6SN7 driver tubes. Tonight I try B65 and
ECC33 Mullard for the 6SN7 part as I have found the Brimar 6SL7
outstanding as a tube in my amps, but ECC33 are still better,
with B65 a little more "smeared". In short: The difference
from China "396a" to WE was great , BUT changing to
WE 396A cryo pair was a "shock" (positive) and as I
see it you could charge 1000$ a pair for these tubes if you only
see the performance. I surely would recommend all serious tube-lovers
to try your cryo-tubes and for my part I dont understand the "fuzz"
about "high-price" as Brendan takes the extra work and
pin-points out the very best tubes in the business saving us some
negative (and there are many) beings of inferior tubes.

新进一个S5，还在煲机过程中，感觉变压器发热比较厉害，开机较长时间后手摸上去有点烫，比原来用的T-300厉害，这正常么？
原机的WY-1使用正常，但换上二手的OB2后却不行了（管子频闪，还有噗噗声），难道两种管子参数不一样么？还是我的管子不行了？
另，usb接口比较实用，但是好象杂音（交流声）厉害，各位大虾有这样的问题么？

应该是WY-2吧?...还有你的OB2因该是不行了,原来我的WY-2也是闪后来啊胆哥给我换了一个就没事了

还有变压器烫应该是正常的吧,我的也是很烫,不过我不担心,烧了啊胆因该给换新的吧;P

发热正常

膽哥東月兄好！
S5或T300推全頻喇叭效果怎樣？
最近我看到網上介紹的一些燒友做的Fostex 4“全頻小箱子，外觀不錯，價格很便宜，想做電腦箱用。
一直想試試同軸單元或全頻的效果，但是不知會是怎樣?是否是低音沒有、高中音很強？
我的s5推102在家裡書房用，想買全頻拿到公司換著用，用t300推，現在在公司里用的是Jamo 805。
前幾天把全新的漫步者S2000拿到公司用，想換換口味，但是聽慣了這些小膽機，漫步者的聲線已經完全不能接受了，所以到晚上就打電話直接送朋友了。
請賜教，謝謝！

全频喇叭要出低音,箱体整个设计太重要了.基本是中音比较强,高低都一般.可以尝试,如果价格不贵的话