［资料］西贝柳斯交响乐全集录音 [复制链接]

西贝柳斯交响乐，向为北欧人和英国人所长，也多以其为佳。
全集之中，个人首推两套，瑞典人Sixten Ehrling和英国佬Anthony Collins。
前者估计大多数人是通过David Oistrakh的EMI名版贝小协认识他，其实他的最大成就乃是西交全集，他和奥伊斯特拉赫在EMI的西小协录音也是极品。
后者名声更是不显，概因指挥不过是其副业，作曲才是他的正职，其实他乃芭比萝莉同时代的高人，当年Decca老板慧眼识英，力邀他为Decca公司录下这套西交，同时还录了埃尔加，其造诣之精深，连芭比萝莉的名版也瞠乎其后。
这也正是最早的两套西交录音，愚以为至今未有人超越，恰从侧面印证了指挥家一代不如一代的趋势。

全集以外，绝对不能忽略两位前辈老大师。
第一位自然是西贝柳斯首席权威——芬兰元老Robert Kajanus！30年代在HMV留下了1、2、3、5四首录音，不过另有说法是当年其实是录全了的，只是其余三首录音已经缺失，且不论究竟是没录全还是录全后缺失，总之现在只有四首传世，实乃录音史上一大遗憾。
另一位显然是西贝柳斯次席权威——英国爵爷Thomas Beecham，老爵士也留下四首录音（2、4、6、7），其中4、7各有三次，6有两次，但其余三首根本没录过，则是录音史上又一憾事。

原帖由 mmxh 于 2010-1-24 3:31:00 发表 西贝柳斯交响乐，向为北欧人和英国人所长，也多以其为佳。 全集之中，个人首推两套，瑞典人Sixten Ehrling和英国佬Anthony Collins。 前者估计大多数人是通过David Oistrakh的EMI名版贝小协认识他，其实他的最大成就乃是西交全集，他和奥伊斯特拉赫在EMI的西小协录音也是极品。 后者名声更是不显，概因指挥不过是其副业，作曲才是他的正职，其实他乃芭比萝莉同时代的高

正解。
collins那一套的第一号第一乐章日本decca和澳洲雄辩系列都有明显的马达噪声，不知Bulah那个再版情况如何？

原帖由 mmxh 于 2010-1-24 3:31:00 发表 这也正是最早的两套西交录音，愚以为至今未有人超越，恰从侧面印证了指挥家一代不如一代的趋势。

坚决反对这句的后半句，哈哈~

最近看BERNSTEIN的DVD，1，2，5，7哈哈
我承认以前3，6听的最少。。。。比较传统的，以前特别喜欢1，4.。。现在都喜欢

En Saga
1976 September - October (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin

Finlandia
1952 29th - 31st July (Philharmonia) Columbia: London
1953 11th April (RAI Turin) Radio Broadcast: Turin
1959 5th - 6th January (Philharmonia) Columbia: London
1964 28th October (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin
1965 16th May (B.P.O.) Radio Broadcast: Helsinki
1976 September - December (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin
1976 16th October (B.P.O.) Radio Broadcast: Berlin  Click to hear short extract.
1984 19th - 24th February (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin

Karelia Suite
1981 2nd January (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin

Pelleas & Melisande
1982 27th January - 18th February (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin

Swan of Tuonela
1965 18th - 21st September (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin
1976 September - December (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin
1984 19th - 24th February(B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin

Symphony No 1
1981 2nd January (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin

Symphony No 2
1960 28th - 29th March (Philharmonia) Columbia: London
1980 16th - 17th November (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin

Symphony No 4
1953 6th - 7th July (Philharmonia) Columbia: London
1965 26th February - 12th May (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin
1965 16th May (B.P.O.) Radio Broadcast: Helsinki
1976 27th - 29th December (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin
1978 28th January (B.P.O.) Radio Broadcast: Berlin

Symphony No 5
1949 5th October (Stockholm Philharmonic) BIS: Stockholm Note: Third movement only.
1951 1st December (Philharmonia) Columbia: London Note: Recording completed on 29th July 1952.
1957 24th May (B.P.O.) Radio Broadcast: Berlin
1960 20th - 23rd September (Philharmonia) Columbia: London
1965 22nd - 24th February (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin
1965 16th May (B.P.O.) Radio Broadcast: Helsinki
1976 September - October (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin
1976 16th October (B.P.O.) Radio Broadcast: Berlin  Click to hear short extract.
1977 31st August (B.P.O.) Radio Broadcast: Lucerne

Symphony No 6
1955 4th - 5th July (Philharmonia) Columbia: London
1967 18th April (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin
1980 16th - 20th November (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin

Symphony No 7
1955 5th - 6th July (Philharmonia) Columbia: London
1967 20th - 21st September (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin

Tapiola
1953 14th - 15th July (Philharmonia) Columbia: London
1964 30th October (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin
1976 September - December (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin
1984 19th - 24th February (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin

Valse Triste
1958 16th January (Philharmonia) Columbia: London
1967 30th January (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin
1972 1st January (B.P.O.) Radio Broadcast: Berlin
1978 24th June (B.P.O.) Television Broadcast: Paris
1980 16th - 20th November (B.P.O.) EMI: Berlin
1983 31st December (B.P.O.) Sony (Film): Berlin
1984 19th - 24th February (B.P.O.) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin

Violin Concerto
1964 29th - 30th October (B.P.O. Ferras) Deutsche Grammophon: Berlin
1971 25th September (B.P.O. Ferras) Radio Broadcast: Berlin





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Concerts


En Saga
1939 8th March Aachen (Aachen Stadttheater Orchestra)
1939 9th March Aachen (Aachen Stadttheater Orchestra)

Finlandia
1948 21st February Vienna (V.S.O.)
1948 22nd February Vienna (V.S.O.)
1953 11th April Turin (RAI Turin)
1955 26th October New York (Philharmonia)
1955 7th November Grand Rapids (Philharmonia)
1955 9th November Ann Arbor, Michigan (Philharmonia)
1965 13th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1965 14th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1965 16th May Helsinki (B.P.O.)
1965 5th September Lucerne (B.P.O.)
1965 9th September Athens (B.P.O.)
1976 16th October Berlin (B.P.O.)
1976 17th October Berlin (B.P.O.)
1976 24th October Berlin (B.P.O.)

Symphony No 1
1942 8th February Berlin (Staatskapelle)
1942 9th February Berlin (Staatskapelle)

Symphony No 4
1943 18th April Berlin (Staatskapelle)
1943 19th April Berlin (Staatskapelle)
1955 1st May London (Philharmonia)
1965 13th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1965 14th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1965 16th May Helsinki (B.P.O.)
1978 28th January Berlin (B.P.O.)
1978 29th January Berlin (B.P.O.)

Symphony No 5
1950 11th November Vienna (V.S.O.)
1950 12th November Vienna (V.S.O.)
1952 16th August Lucerne (Lucerne Festival Orchestra)
1953 20th November London (Philharmonia)
1955 14th October London (Philharmonia)
1955 26th October New York (Philharmonia)
1955 31st October Huntington,W.Va. (Philharmonia)
1955 3rd November Toledo,O. (Philharmonia)
1955 9th November Ann Arbor, Michigan (Philharmonia)
1955 19th November Boston (Philharmonia)
1957 24th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1957 25th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1957 26th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1965 13th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1965 14th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1965 16th May Helsinki (B.P.O.)
1965 18th May Copenhagen (B.P.O.)
1965 5th September Lucerne (B.P.O.)
1965 9th September Athens (B.P.O.)
1973 26th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1973 27th May Berlin (B.P.O.)
1976 16th October Berlin (B.P.O.)
1976 17th October Berlin (B.P.O.)
1977 31st August Lucerne (B.P.O.)
1979 8th December Berlin (B.P.O.)
1979 9th December Berlin (B.P.O.)

Symphony No 6
1938 7th February Stockholm (Stockholm Radio Orchestra)
1938 27th September Berlin (B.P.O.)

Symphony No 7
1948 21st February Vienna (V.S.O.)
1948 22nd February Vienna (V.S.O.)
1967 19th September Berlin (B.P.O.)
1967 20th September Berlin (B.P.O.)
1967 21st September Berlin (B.P.O.)

Valse Triste
1971 31st December Berlin (B.P.O.)
1972 1st January Berlin (B.P.O.)
1983 30th December Berlin (B.P.O.)
1983 31st December Berlin (B.P.O.)

Violin Concerto
1971 25th September Berlin (B.P.O. Ferras)
1971 26th September Berlin (B.P.O. Ferras)

老卡演奏表,按此，老卡活到90年，肯定要再次录西贝柳斯。很想知道他和DG最后签约想录点撒！

原帖由 mmxh 于 2010-1-24 3:31:00 发表
这也正是最早的两套西交录音，愚以为至今未有人超越，恰从侧面印证了指挥家一代不如一代的趋势。

坚决支持这句的后半句

可以这样说，这是一个时间的概念
FURTWAWNGLER他们一生指挥多少次贝多芬？曲目有多狭窄？
RATTLE得推广多少现代作品？人一辈子的时间有限。FURTWANGLER的DEBUSSY多少木？
现代指挥的起点都不低，而且更全面的注重各方面。
此外BOULEZ说的那样许多曲子在20世纪20-50年代几乎无法演奏，受技术限制和指挥不了解，可是许多现在已经较以前容易掌握了
贝多芬锤炼了多少代？所以为何给现代音乐多上演机会，就是要反复锤炼。反复的听，我们还很不了解。

mmxh复出

难得见mm发帖，顶了。
很少听西贝柳斯。进来学习

且不论当代指挥对新作品的推广，在传统曲目的深度上，年轻一辈的把握明显不如前辈们。

回到本主题，西贝柳斯交响乐，对于老一辈指挥们，根本就是新作品。Kajanus，比西贝柳斯本人还老，西氏作品不少是由他首演；Beecham，当时很多西氏作品都是刚问世不久，正是他的大力推广才令其广为流传。对于稍迟一点的Collins、Barbirolli、Erhling等人来说，西交仍然是比较新的作品，他们能够有多少时间和机会来锤炼？但为何他们的演绎有如此高的水平？经过数十年后时间和众多机会锤炼的晚辈指挥们却依然无法超越他们？这不正充分说明了问题的本质么。

说到曲目的扩充和新作品的推广，推广当时的新作品的，例如西贝柳斯，例如马勒，又例如理查·斯特劳斯，等等等等，难道不是当时的老一辈指挥们吗？你以为他们就只会挖贝多芬之类传统曲目吗？只不过当时的新作品，经过数十年上百年后流传到今天，已经成为了传统曲目而已。

原帖由 CJ御姐控 于 2010-1-24 9:09:00 发表 原帖由 mmxh 于 2010-1-24 3:31:00 发表 这也正是最早的两套西交录音，愚以为至今未有人超越，恰从侧面印证了指挥家一代不如一代的趋势。 坚决反对这句的后半句，哈哈~

相比之下
支持那后半句 它是有力的 hoho

现在古典音乐界的问题是:没有新曲目,没有可以听听的新曲目!...

換種講法，現今聽古典的人一代不如代，一日不如一日，甚至一秒不如一秒。

这么好的资料不顶没道理。。。

无图无真相，浮云最好把图贴出来