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5021#

120W每边,推天朗这种本身味道浓郁的音箱很合适。[upload=jpg]Upload/200542123285561728.jpg[/upload]
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5022#

[quote]audiopro 在 2005-4-21 23:28:58 发表的内容
120W每边,推天朗这种本身味道浓郁的音箱很合适。[upload=jpg]Upload/200542123285561728.jpg[/upload][/quote]

请说说听感!
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5023#

注意他的底座,和我的斯大林配的应该差不多,我的稍高一点吧,15CM。很有作用。
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5024#

哪位DX告知现在新的GRF 多少价?
南宁肥仔说要5.8W
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5025#

[quote]少主 在 2005-4-22 19:38:51 发表的内容
哪位DX告知现在新的GRF 多少价?
南宁肥仔说要5.8W[/quote]

GRF /HE厂家最近已停产了.非常超值的东西!!!
这个价位不错!
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5026#

忘了说:选乐林一定要选带开关电源那种,呵呵。
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5027#

自文兄说推天朗大箱的功放,第一乐林、其次麦景图,第三金嗓子。

大家不妨多研究。
另外,胆机推天朗出靓声已有定论,特别是优质的胆机前后级。
各位如能掏到麦景图MC275后级,定是天朗的最佳搭配。
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5028#

天朗厚重的面罩对其高频延伸和全频清晰度都影响甚大,各位如果对高频不满意,请尽快去掉面罩听听,效果定是截然不同.
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5029#

[upload=gif]Upload/200542317415686067.gif[/upload]
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5030#

最近搞了一对SYSTEM 1200, 又加入TANNOY俱乐部了.
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5031#


Tannoy System 15 DMT II Studio Monitors 用户评价:



10-18-2004, 01:50 PM  
DingusBoy  
Schematically challenged   Join Date: May 2003
Location: deTannoland, Ohio
Posts: 1,483  

Tannoy System 15 DMT II Studio Monitors

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This is an informal review of the Tannoy System 15 DMT II’s. This is actually an amended email I sent to Tubino a few days ago. Since then, I’ve had more time with them and actually like them more then when I wrote this. I decided to keep the comments as they were but they have really won me over even at lower volume.

For most of my listening I had the following system:
Sources:

Well Tempered Turntable with Shure V15 V-MR cartridge and Botthlead Seduction phonostage

Empire 398 Turntable with Benz Micro Silver Cart.

Akai GX-635D Reel to Reel

Lector 0.5 Tubed CDP (courtesy of Dr. Evil)

Preamps: Dehavilland Ultraverve or Bottlehead Foreplay with anticipation and sweet whispers upgrades

Power Amp: Dehavilland Aries 845-G's

I purchased the DMTs used via Ebay and they arrived just over a week ago. As I mentioned here not long ago I had a pair of Tannoy SGM 15B’s for a short time before buying these. The SGHs are also a 15” dual concentric but are in an undersized cabinet:

Frequency response (1) 38 Hz - 20 kHz
Recommended amplifier power 50 to 400 W rms into 8 W
Power handling(2) Average (2) Programme
200 W rms 400 W rms
Nominal Impedance 8 W
Sensitivity (3) 98 dB SPL / 1 W @ 1 m
Distortion < 0.5 %
Dispersion (@ -6dB) 90° conical
Crossover frequency 1100 Hz
Crossover controls Treble energy range 2kHz – 25kHz
+1.5dB, Level, -1.5dB
Drive unit 15” Tannoy Dual Concentric type 3833GG
They weigh around 100 lbs each.

On to the informal review


I think I have a better handle on them pros and cons. I'll get the cons out of the way first: If there is anything to not like about the source, this system will reveal it. For example, the difference between a good CD and a poor one is painfully obvious. I may need to have to throw out about half of my CD collection. And further along those lines, the sound of digitally mastered vinyl sounds more like a CD then it ever had before. 2nd con: At lower volumes they can sound a little sterile IMHO. Not horribly sterile but somehow with less life then some stuff I've heard. 3rd con: As with the SGMs, I find the highest end of the frequency extreme lacking ever so slightly compared with some other speakers I’ve heard. It's a loss I can live with but I think serious cymbal work for example can sound better on other speakers. Ron said that was a sacrifice with a two driver set-up he was willing to make and thus far so am I. 4th con: As the cones don't move much even with a lot of juice, I don't Feel the music as much as say, the HPMs or those JBL lancers.

Pros:

1st: These things are fast. I mean really fast. Dynamics are superb. Shuffles shuffle. I've never experienced loud music that came in and out of quiet spots like I did today. It makes a huge difference in clarity when the system can get in and out this quick. It more then makes up for not feeling the music as much as a looser driver would allow. If it's one or the other, I'll take this everyday.

2nd. Clarity. I understand now how other speakers must distort after hearing these. To be honest, it's still taking some getting used to. My ears must have adjusted to that to some extent because It's still kinda weird to not have it always filling up the room. That all being said, I love this. I'm flabbergasted at how clean yet rich this system sounded at volume.

3rd: Coherent. This ties the two comments above together, but I really think the dual concentric design helps keep all the info together with stunning realism.

4th: Soundstage, imaging, etc. Vocals (if recorded well) sit near the middle with an almost surreal quality. Lead instruments can do the same or, as is the case with some Deep Purple I listened to, move around with great realism. It took some time to get placement down. I have the speakers about 8½’ apart at the drivers and toed in slightly with space on both sides. There is a depth and width that is really fun.

5th As was mentioned by someone on another forum, they don't SHOUT. I'm not sure how to explain that but it fits. The ELS's I have sound awesome with many acoustic instruments but they do kinda shout the notes at times. This is very different and once again a bit of an adjustment but as volume increases a definite plus. I had some JJ Cale playing and it was so laid back just as it should be. At the same time primary instruments or volcals still have the spotlight.

6th They are the antitheses of fatiguing. Even with CDs that aren't recorded as well as they could be, my ears don't tell me to turn the music off, instead just tell me the source ain't so hot. I have listened to them most of today and never felt my ears needed a break.

7th I have yet to hear an instrument they don't reproduce very well. Once again, I might pick Edgarhorns over these to reproduce ...duh horns, or ELS's to reproduce acoustic guitar but nothing else I've owned (except the Tannoy SGMs) manage every instrument so well. VERY IMPRESSIVE. Equally impressive with voice, both male and female.

For the first time I feel I have a handle on when something isn't quite right what it might be. My phono-stage was stronger in one channel due to the tubes. A weakness in bass on my Empire table, or the slight edge of digital, all seem clearer as to what they are and from whence they come.

I have an even deeper appreciation of the deHav amps as it seems ridiculous how good this gig sounds at volume. My first thought when I first cranked it was "This isn't right, it should be impossible for reproduced music to sound this good."

End of email to Tubino

Needless to say, I’m very happy with these babies. It’s taken some doing but I have a SET system with High Effeciency Speakers that should keep me happy for some time. From source to speaker I have a hard time finding a weak link with the possible exception of what links them.

Thatch_Ear01-11-2005, 09:37 PM
Please give us an update on these after you have had them longer, and congrats on getting such nice speakers.

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DingusBoy02-02-2005, 10:31 AM
Hi all,

As requested, some thoughts after a few good months of ownership.

My love affair with these speakers continues. After dealing with upgradeitis since I found AK, I've been quite content with my system since the DMT's arrived.

They are incredibly pleasant on the ears at any volume. I usually listen in the 80db range but have had them much louder and the sound is still very clean, never distorted. They are smooth but can have punch.

Tubino let me borrow a Tannoy sub and I must reluctantly admit it adds a little something down below. With alot of stuff it's really not noticeable but with well recorded material the bass has more to offer with the sub. I guess that's why Tannoy makes the 215! That being said, the low end is still more than acceptable without the sub.

Maybe I've adjusted but whatever very top end I thought was missing before is no longer an issue to my ears. Cymbals sound very reall and alive.

for the SS crowd, I did hook up my Sansui G-33000 to them and it sounded very good. The deHavilland mono-blocks win a sound quality shootout but the Tannoys still sounded very good with the Sansui.

I would wholeheartedly recommend an audition for anyone considering a high-effeciency speaker. The WAF may be an issue for some as they are good looking in a utilitarian way but clearly not designed as a beautiful piece of furniture.

I have yet to hear vintage alnico Tannoys but would love to as some claim they sound better than these modern counterparts. But until then, I've got speakers that should keep me very happy for a long time.
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5032#

实践天朗的高音电平调节效果及不良影响:
高音电频调高1.5DB,会到来低频速度变慢,拖泥带水,低频段的清晰度也受到影响.
高音调低1.5DB,低频速度加快,量感更多,但高频穿透力减弱.

还是觉得电平放在中间0DB最好!各位不妨比较一下.
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5033#

寻芳兄及天朗家庭成员的DX,大家好!
1、年初,通过在2-3W元级的世霸、劲浪、单拿、超奥、斯大林等试听,二月底购买了土贝利,作为自己的生日礼物,当时AUDIOPRO兄给了我一句话:“以后要解决的事将多得很,你这是自找苦吃。”由于当时功放没有定下来,因此就没有向大家报告。
2、土贝利不难推,只要特性能匹配,正如寻芳兄所说的用audiolab8000b都能推,这一点我试过,像模像样的英国声效果,同时也暴露出在较高价系统中廉价功放一些大而化之的问题,说明推好到一定境界又是要考功力和财力。
3、选择功放也是在2-3W,通过不断的尝试推敲比较后定下用EIC-4后,发现在推土贝利时其分析力比它的顶级前级4.7略差一皮;音色与EIC-3不完全一样,全面性比EIC-3好。EIC-4较好的解决密度-音场-音色-分析力-推动力之间的关系,用合并机少用一对信号线,免得疑神疑鬼。
4、先汇报目前该系统的特点是:试听台湾刘汉盛在《音响论坛》推荐的CD,DGG吉普赛人小提琴、贝九及吹拉弹唱等大部分都能过关,都能出现一定的木味和肉感,特别是一些SACD在普通CD机播放时也都让人耳目一新。至于爵士乐,个人一直没有兴趣,拥有的CD也是精选片断,无法评定。较好体现天朗那种传统雍容大度的风格,在保证分析力的前提下,音色自然,声音绵密,象很细水雾状分布(使用铜线时),力度充沛,速度较快,高中低频能形成金字塔状,在较好的功率控制下,高频就显得不突出,弦夜烧兄提到的底座目的就是使同轴高音与听者的耳朵基本平齐;音场有包围感,没有前倾和不协调的现象,但由于音箱前面是客厅通道,只能离墙30公分左右,加上中间的电视(等发财了再买等离子或液晶挂在墙上),因此目前音场无法进一步纵深。我的客厅空间是摆横的约6m×9m再加左边敞开式4m×6m食厅,一直都是声音密度的杀手,象有一些音色漂亮的功放往往喂不饱土贝利,无法填好空间;而能喂饱土贝利的往往音色或音场不够,只能拜拜。
5、试用咸菜:用AN V纯银信号线时分析力高,线条纤细清晰,琴弦强弱变化表现非常明显,有高贵和绚丽的表现,但声音会偏亮,肉感较少,直白和显得纤瘦了一些,绝对是臃肿系统减肥的良药。
用AN LEXUS铜信号线时,声音分析力和线条没有纯银的高,但较饱满、较厚、较暗,在适当的音量下连续听几个小时没问题,不会产生烦躁。
用MIT 几百块钱信号线时,感觉接近AN LEXUS铜信号线,但达不到它的分析力。
音箱线目前是MIT  Terminator2。
目前咸菜仍然未定下来。
6、目前米格CD2机目前仍然未够班,低频和厚度等需要在下一步尝试后升级。
7、特别是如果喜欢蛋鸡(300B)音色但又想买石机的的朋友,用EIC-4公房是一种折中的办法之一,因为我比较喜欢300B的声音,屡中B毒,曾经一度决定要买300B单端,后来想起在大空间内只能感受林戴玉般的美丽,如果在土贝利的十寸上不能尽情享受复杂的交响和合唱,那岂不是有点?而且纵然能购到能推好土贝利的蛋鸡也不是在短期内,原先一直都往胆前石后、前后级、蛋鸡的路去走,也知道明星器材往往“好”字后面一定就加一个“贵”字。当了两个月的机器搬运工之后,发现往往是好了这里差了那里,系统设备的匹配和协调真的是非常重要!在当时选择合并机纯属偶然和试试看的心态,请发烧同好DIY爱好者L君(他的300B前后级都是独立电源,单/双声道共六件,仅一对WE-300B管6千多港币,每月一到两次前后用2年多跑广州买补品零件,SE、MK2了N次他的土炮,每次调整后我都到场鉴赏评定,300B的可玩空间真大!他原先是用贵丰100W瓦合并、ARC前后,也曾经为别人配过几套8W元以上的音响,传统英国音箱乐爵士5/9、英国之宝前后CD的坚决拥护者,DIY300B后,对石机一直不以为然),并得到他的初步肯定(在音响器材评定上我们从来不存在客气),他说,晶体管机能做到这样算是相当不错了。同时家里的老婆孩子也都会经常CD盒子里的歌词跟着唱起来,光凭这一点在以前就是很少有的现象,好友和家人的认可,自己也觉得是一种莫大的享受。
8、台湾刘汉盛在《音响论坛》上提出的四项原则:第一、选暗不选亮。第二、选厚不选薄。第三、选大不选小。第四、要气势或要精细(两者都要),理论指导实践,实践检验理论,在这套系统上基本能达到。
HI-END是一种精神,是浪漫主义和现实主义高度的结合,腰包鼓涨时是一定要从贵价器材选择,但不鼓涨时当然是从性价比、系统平衡上来考虑。要走的路还长,摆位、空间、CD、超高、咸菜、附件都有很大调整和升级的空间,基础坚实了,后面的路也我想将应该好走一些。
思路决定出路,腰包决定行动,象寻芳兄所说的选择天朗土贝利是迈出正确的一步!而ELC-4是在众多的明星功放中又一节约成本,回报较高的鲜试。
初次发贴,多有不足,请各位DX多多指教。
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5034#

寻芳兄好久不见。
天朗防尘网的确影响很大,声音滞呆很多,缺少活力,对高,低影响都很大。平时听还是要去掉。
对乐林能推好天朗持保留态度。没听说有这么配的,从特性上互补,但推出来是乐林味,还是天朗味,不好说。
   麦景图也有不同说法,不少人说刚听时很舒服,听久了想发烧烧不起来,有拖沓感。但普遍认为此金桑子好。如果是大箱子普遍看好mc500以上型号,而且不太配新型号的mc功放。
   胆机应是首选,最近在找ARC的大功率胆后(100W以上)
     麦景图275,75W担心推不尽GRF,如果是那样就没换的必要了,现在的土炮805也很好,但按推尽的标准尚有差距
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5035#

请问有人用过金宝8TC的线接天朗吗?效果如何?三文治式线叉可直接接上吗?好象不配,是否都用香蕉叉
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5036#

[quote]寻芳不觉醉
我在用8TC双线分音.三文治式线叉可直接接.
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8TC有双线分音呀?接功放是一对头接音箱是两对高低音头?都是香蕉叉这比三文治式线叉好接的多!GOOD,多少米买的!THANKS
用8TC双线分音听如何?….我是麦景图MA6800+爱丁堡
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5037#

[quote]Enki 在 2005-4-24 6:59:14 发表的内容
最近搞了一对SYSTEM 1200, 又加入TANNOY俱乐部了.[/quote]

好!!!
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5038#

[quote]欲拒还迎 在 2005-4-24 13:54:04 发表的内容
寻芳兄及天朗家庭成员的DX,大家好!
1、年初,通过在2-3W元级的世霸、劲浪、单拿、超奥、斯大林等试听,二月底购买了土贝利,作为自己的生日礼物,当时AUDIOPRO兄给了我一句话:“以后要解决的事将多得很,你这是自找苦吃。”由于当时功放没有定下来,因此就没有向大家报告。
2、土贝利不难推,只要特性能匹配,正如寻芳兄所说的用audiolab8000b都能推,这一点我试过,像模像样的英国声效果,同时也暴露出在较高价系统中廉价功放一些大而化之的问题,说明推好到一定境界又是要考功力和财力。
3、选择功放也是在2-3W,通过不断的尝试推敲比较后定下用EIC-4后,发现在推土贝利时其分析力比它的顶级前级4.7略差一皮;音色与EIC-3不完全一样,全面性比EIC-3好。EIC-4较好的解决密度-音场-音色-分析力-推动力之间的关系,用合并机少用一对信号线,免得疑神疑鬼。
4、先汇报目前该系统的特点是:试听台湾刘汉盛在《音响论坛》推荐的CD,DGG吉普赛人小提琴、贝九及吹拉弹唱等大部分都能过关,都能出现一定的木味和肉感,特别是一些SACD在普通CD机播放时也都让人耳目一新。至于爵士乐,个人一直没有兴趣,拥有的CD也是精选片断,无法评定。较好体现天朗那种传统雍容大度的风格,在保证分析力的前提下,音色自然,声音绵密,象很细水雾状分布(使用铜线时),力度充沛,速度较快,高中低频能形成金字塔状,在较好的功率控制下,高频就显得不突出,弦夜烧兄提到的底座目的就是使同轴高音与听者的耳朵基本平齐;音场有包围感,没有前倾和不协调的现象,但由于音箱前面是客厅通道,只能离墙30公分左右,加上中间的电视(等发财了再买等离子或液晶挂在墙上),因此目前音场无法进一步纵深。我的客厅空间是摆横的约6m×9m再加左边敞开式4m×6m食厅,一直都是声音密度的杀手,象有一些音色漂亮的功放往往喂不饱土贝利,无法填好空间;而能喂饱土贝利的往往音色或音场不够,只能拜拜。
5、试用咸菜:用AN V纯银信号线时分析力高,线条纤细清晰,琴弦强弱变化表现非常明显,有高贵和绚丽的表现,但声音会偏亮,肉感较少,直白和显得纤瘦了一些,绝对是臃肿系统减肥的良药。
用AN LEXUS铜信号线时,声音分析力和线条没有纯银的高,但较饱满、较厚、较暗,在适当的音量下连续听几个小时没问题,不会产生烦躁。
用MIT 几百块钱信号线时,感觉接近AN LEXUS铜信号线,但达不到它的分析力。
音箱线目前是MIT  Terminator2。
目前咸菜仍然未定下来。
6、目前米格CD2机目前仍然未够班,低频和厚度等需要在下一步尝试后升级。
7、特别是如果喜欢蛋鸡(300B)音色但又想买石机的的朋友,用EIC-4公房是一种折中的办法之一,因为我比较喜欢300B的声音,屡中B毒,曾经一度决定要买300B单端,后来想起在大空间内只能感受林戴玉般的美丽,如果在土贝利的十寸上不能尽情享受复杂的交响和合唱,那岂不是有点?而且纵然能购到能推好土贝利的蛋鸡也不是在短期内,原先一直都往胆前石后、前后级、蛋鸡的路去走,也知道明星器材往往“好”字后面一定就加一个“贵”字。当了两个月的机器搬运工之后,发现往往是好了这里差了那里,系统设备的匹配和协调真的是非常重要!在当时选择合并机纯属偶然和试试看的心态,请发烧同好DIY爱好者L君(他的300B前后级都是独立电源,单/双声道共六件,仅一对WE-300B管6千多港币,每月一到两次前后用2年多跑广州买补品零件,SE、MK2了N次他的土炮,每次调整后我都到场鉴赏评定,300B的可玩空间真大!他原先是用贵丰100W瓦合并、ARC前后,也曾经为别人配过几套8W元以上的音响,传统英国音箱乐爵士5/9、英国之宝前后CD的坚决拥护者,DIY300B后,对石机一直不以为然),并得到他的初步肯定(在音响器材评定上我们从来不存在客气),他说,晶体管机能做到这样算是相当不错了。同时家里的老婆孩子也都会经常CD盒子里的歌词跟着唱起来,光凭这一点在以前就是很少有的现象,好友和家人的认可,自己也觉得是一种莫大的享受。
8、台湾刘汉盛在《音响论坛》上提出的四项原则:第一、选暗不选亮。第二、选厚不选薄。第三、选大不选小。第四、要气势或要精细(两者都要),理论指导实践,实践检验理论,在这套系统上基本能达到。
HI-END是一种精神,是浪漫主义和现实主义高度的结合,腰包鼓涨时是一定要从贵价器材选择,但不鼓涨时当然是从性价比、系统平衡上来考虑。要走的路还长,摆位、空间、CD、超高、咸菜、附件都有很大调整和升级的空间,基础坚实了,后面的路也我想将应该好走一些。
思路决定出路,腰包决定行动,象寻芳兄所说的选择天朗土贝利是迈出正确的一步!而ELC-4是在众多的明星功放中又一节约成本,回报较高的鲜试。
初次发贴,多有不足,请各位DX多多指教。[/quote]

欢迎 欲拒还迎兄的到来,又一天朗用家爱好者!
以前国内天朗与金嗓子(在日本是跟麦景图)是绝配已有定论,但天朗的搭配其实并不局限于一种定论,拒迎兄的搭配可做为另一种高性价比的搭配成功例子.拒迎兄有空可否上张图?
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最近不常听音乐,主要是播放莫扎特和巴赫的曲子给BB听.
    昨天LP带BB回娘家去了,刚好晚上又有几个烧友前来拜访,得,开声试法,去掉网罩(以前很少去掉来听),播放林子详的<真的汉子>,林的唱功立马全面体现出来,那种荡气回肠、意气激昂的活生生的效果,令在场各位目瞪口呆,现场感好到绝伦!!!又放马小倩的<铁塔凌云>,马MM的温柔细腻维妙维逍,令人神往!!!原来去掉网罩是如此的不同:高频延伸极佳、能量感极强,中频超然脱俗、极具磁性,低频干净利落、速度快速、又宽松大气,整体包围感强劲、透明度、结像力、乐器分离、层次感无可挑剔。

兼回“我的”兄:天朗的吐贝丽的弦乐表现应属顶班级数,重播提琴类音乐的像真度非常不错,你要的擦弦质感、琴腔共鸣、木头味(松香味)她都能给你,绝对不会不够细腻,前提是箱子已经褒熟了。
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[quote]wll2 在 2005-4-24 17:17:44 发表的内容
grf 用麦景图mc501推怎么样用啥cd[/quote]

LINN IKEMI或ARC CD3.
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