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书架:雨后初晴M30、世霸小协奏曲,选谁? [复制链接]

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如题,这两个书架的声音风格都喜欢,有厚度有密度,M30的规模感要好一些,而且杂食。外形第一感觉小协奏曲好看,其实还是雨后M30更耐看。

二手小协奏曲+原厂脚架=11K,价格合适不?箱体成色一般,正常使用,有几个小地方的瑕疵。这箱子需要注意版本或年份么?
二手M30价格要贵出不少,16K不带脚架。我是工厂的工人,脚架也可以用厂里的废料自己DIY一个金属的或木料的。


新人小鸟请教下,如果是您,二者选一,哪个更合适?听音面积12平方,收入很少,几年内不折腾,听人声及弦乐多。


留言请慎重,呵呵,最好是亲自听过的朋友,多谢!
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最后编辑栾金村猪肉王子 最后编辑于 2011-01-16 15:19:00
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原帖由 sanlymei 于 2011-1-16 15:24:00 发表
雨后初晴更好推~~~世霸更好玩~~


不想玩啊,就想安心听歌,休息一会




小协奏曲年头久吧,担心有内伤。
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原帖由 mackiel 于 2011-1-16 16:53:00 发表
如果是我,估计选30
30有这个颜色么?专业版?


内心深处还是倾向于M30的,苦于价格微高


M30还有别的颜色???都是灰黑色的吧
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原帖由 垂钓 于 2011-1-16 22:11:00 发表
                    攻防投入预算不大的话选世霸,M30八寸低音,灵敏度85DB,不是一般攻防能搞的定的,慎重!


您说雨后M30与ATC SCM19哪个更难驱动?我感觉ATC19更难驱动好


力士的低端甲类放大器驱动雨后怎样?您给点意见,还是胆机?
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原帖由 TARGET 于 2011-1-17 12:32:00 发表
其实楼主心里已有最终选择了,咬牙上吧。换来换去,费用更高。


是啊,一出一近的折腾更费钱
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原帖由 cdc 于 2011-1-17 21:25:00 发表
你看看这个


这个我也不清楚,可能是水货吧,M20和M30都是灰黑色的


灰黑色看实物是不太顺眼...............
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原帖由 herodotus 于 2011-1-17 22:17:00 发表
这个m30是雨后初晴的监听箱。


请问,灰黑色版本和实木版本有什么区别呢?
声音不同??
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原帖由 nobrainnopain 于 2011-1-17 21:38:00 发表
为啥不选7es-3?音响季刊的枪手都推荐这个。


我也是听说的,说C7 ES3的动态稍微逊色于M30,或者说是两者的风格微有差别,M30更倾向于现代音乐,不知对否
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原帖由 垂钓 于 2011-1-17 22:05:00 发表
                  力士没玩过,不好说..M30玩好了值得玩好多年,听听音乐也足够了.胆石均可,前提是要喂饱她.灰色的是专业版吧,一般的是红色或者黄色的.俺的是红色的.


呵呵,我是打算好多年的


您的意思是说大电流的放大器?甲类20W可以么
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原帖由 影子与回旋 于 2011-1-22 23:49:00 发表
30好推些,世霸弦乐觉得漂亮!各有所长看LZ自己喜欢的味道!我自己很喜欢世霸的味道也有2对呵呵!


世霸的做工和用料真是艺术品,放家里都很抬人
我这问题很多,房间面积是个问题,落体的窗户也是问题,而且最大的问题是共振,很大很大,是选择大书架还是小书架我只能去店铺里问问地方的专业人员吧
声音风格2个我都稀罕,呵呵
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原帖由 MHDT 于 2011-1-23 14:17:00 发表
甲类20瓦肯定不行。喜欢力士的话找找50瓦的L570吧,万元内最抵玩的合并机。


20W是主流吧,50W的机器都很贵啊.....................
麦乐迪和科宝的胆机那款适合推雨后,貌似两家质量都还可以
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原帖由 垂钓 于 2011-1-17 22:05:00 发表
                  力士没玩过,不好说..M30玩好了值得玩好多年,听听音乐也足够了.胆石均可,前提是要喂饱她.灰色的是专业版吧,一般的是红色或者黄色的.俺的是红色的.


呵呵,握手
也是东北人吧,多指点指点
您用啥推M30?是不是中性一点的放大器更对路?科宝的胆机您认为可行么?
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13#

给大伙拜年啦

听了世霸的几个书架箱,只有克罗梦娜,是这个名儿吧,不错,层次感好,中频也够足,高频顺滑,有点落地箱的味道,声音内敛而且贵气,有种修饰感但好听,不能说大气,丹拿的1.4才该大气,而且中性,就是价格太贵。协奏曲什么的感觉很一般。

另外就是雨后的P3ESR,听人声真是很不错,HIFI性差一些,胜在音乐味,舒服,搭配MAIM不太行,问题在低频上,或许大力的KT88胆机能打点好。

丹拿的1.4不错啊,HIFI性能真是一流,中性大气,感觉放大器与前端够足的话,真的是能文能武,20平方完全替代入门落地箱了,价格贵啊。玩丹拿的主儿都是米人啊,感觉丹拿太考验放大器了,书架箱听交响估计也就属丹拿C1或1.4吧,您觉得呢?

丹拿的52SE也凑合,没什么突出的特点感觉,挺均衡的,放ROCK挺不错的。

以上有主观因素,更多的是器材搭配上的影响,可能说的出入很大,请见谅

对了,B&W N805感觉一般,外形挺好的,声音中规中矩,低频推好了还成,推不好混的很,相对来说比较杂食吧,适合多种音乐类型,不知道对否,个人不太感冒这个路子,呵呵,我是初哥,不听交响,最多就是梁祝。
还有了劲浪的806吧,还是807来着,价格不贵,别的没印象,小音量小空间的话,高频真是挺舒服的,搭配得法很迷人啊,整体感稍微薄了一些,这是我个人的口味吧,注重中频多些。

其他的书架箱暂时还没听到,慢慢来吧
最后编辑栾金村猪肉王子 最后编辑于 2011-02-06 14:01:42
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还有一款年代久远的LS3/5A,好像是15欧姆的,搭配的也是年代久远的胆机放大器,播放JAZZ,声音............真的迷死人了,欲罢不能,如果没人打扰,会一直听完整张CD,几乎让人忘记我在哪,我在干什么,呵呵

怎么说呢,虽然P3ESR和LS3/5A血统相近,都是侧重中频播放,但味道上有区别的,LS3的凝聚力要好,感觉宽松自然,修饰的甜美,P3ESR就现代一些,高频亮一点,修饰感不如那么甜。P3ESR低频不如LS3自然,松弛,有量没有质感,LS3有质没有量,这样说对不对?反正就是说P3ESR后期人为的添加稍多,初哥可能会喜欢,估计老烧可能会排斥,LS3听提琴美妙,厚重感恰到好处,当然我试听是LS3搭配胆机,P3ESR搭配的NAIM,味道肯定不同,P3ESR如果万元价位的话,听人声还是很绝的,搭配也不是那么难,怎么说呢,缺陷美人吧。

估计老烧们都是从烧味道最后烧到HIFI素质,从听人声到听乐器最后听交响,话说打小就接受中国传统教育的我,貌似对西洋文化真不感冒,体会不到交响的乐趣与气质吧,另外,我是个普通工人,品味也相对粗浅一些。

自个儿喜欢的器材未必能出来陶醉其中的声音,这种事儿,太主观了,您说呢
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原帖由 飞翔的心 于 2011-2-6 19:37:00 发表
世霸 minima vintage 也应该有你听老3/5A的感觉的!


复刻版本的价码也不低啊,不比克罗梦娜低多少


Stirling LS3/5a V2

这款箱子怎样?网上评测很少,据说是上了发烧天书B级,全新1OK价格诚意么?
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这里有一段英文评测,看不懂。。。。。。。。。。


Sound
Before I auditioned the Stirlings, I spent some time with my 1978-vintage Rogers LS3/5as. (I used both sets of speakers with their grilles in place.) There was a touch of nasality in the upper midrange, the treble sounded less smooth than modern contenders, and the upper bass was less well defined than audiophiles now expect from even inexpensive speakers. But the accuracy and stability of the stereo imaging and the sheer purity of the speaker's midrange reproduction were both still competitive with the best small speakers.
Replacing the originals with the Stirling V2s on the same 24" stands, with pads of Blu-Tack connecting each speaker to the stand's top plate (bypassing the LS3/5a's small rubber feet), I was struck by the fact that the upper midrange had lost its nasal character, but also by the feeling that there was now a slight lift in the treble region. It had been a decade since I'd auditioned a recent LS3/5a (the final KEF version), and that was in a different room, but I remember it as being a little more subdued at the high end. Having said that, I did adjust quite quickly to the Stirling's tonal signature, which was balanced at lower frequencies by a definitely rich-sounding upper bass, even with the speakers well away from room boundaries.
Of low- and midbass there was none, of course. But the upper-bass boost does give the illusion of there being more bass than there actually is. With appropriate recordings, such as the charming Bach-Malloch The Art of Fuguing (CD, Sheffield Lab 10047-2-G), or Antony Michaelson's performance of the Mozart Clarinet Concerto on K622 (SACD, Musical Fidelity SACD017), both of which use a small orchestra, the double basses were reproduced with a natural-sounding tonality, even at quite high playback levels. On larger-scale works, such as Vladimir Ashkenazy's 1983 recording of Rachmaninoff's Symphony 1 with the Concertgebouw Orchestra (CD, Decca 411 657-2), where the double basses are joined by timpani and bass drum, the illusion could be maintained only at modest volumes. The bass-drum blow that begins the fugal section in the symphony's first movement, for example, had superb definition, though it definitely needed to be played a little quieter than would be strictly required for optimal visceral stimulation. At more realistic levels, the speakers started to sound gruff and too warm.
But even with the Stirling's slightly exaggerated treble and the early digital sound of this Rachmaninoff recording, the upper strings sounded smooth and edge-free, and the brass had a most satisfyingly realistic crackle. Naturally recorded voices also sounded free from coloration. The CD I recently engineered of Minnesotan male-voice choir Cantus singing works about the sea (There Lies the Home, Cantus CTS-1206) features a variety of solo voices, each faithfully reproduced by the Stirlings. And the speakers' superbly stable, accurate stereo imaging allowed me to hear deep into the rich acoustic of Sioux Falls' Washington Pavilion, where I recorded the album.
Dynamics were never the LS3/5a's strong point, and the original always sounded a little "slow" on rock music, as though the body of the bass-instrument tone was lagging a little behind the beat. Following Steve Guttenberg's dissing of Bob Dylan's Modern Times (CD, Columbia 3826 87686-2) in his December 2006 "As We See It," I picked up a copy to see what the fuss was about. Well, this album does sound "modern," in that a thin, grainy scrim hangs between the musicians and the listener, and Dylan's voice has a distinct, cheap mike "quack" to it. But over the Stirlings I could hear a respectable amount of "room" around the drums and piano, especially in "Spirit on the Water," and the cymbals had decent HF extension.
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原帖由 靡靡之音 于 2011-2-6 20:37:00 发表
看了图片,雨后M30是专业版监听箱,很少见了,也很难找到了,绝对的好东西!如果没问题赶快拿下。我找这种版本找了很久没找到,只好上了对黑檀版的新箱子。


M30伺候不起啊,最大的问题是没那么大空间


我这只有11平方的样子,后期声处不想投入了
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原帖由 飞翔的心 于 2011-2-6 20:54:00 发表
才16000多!不错的


16K,还“才“..............
最后编辑栾金村猪肉王子 最后编辑于 2011-02-06 21:11:33
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