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真开心啊,终于拿到了日版巴克豪斯贝钢奏mono全集。 [复制链接]

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我是个门外汉,不懂得音乐的结构等技术上的问题。就我聆听的感觉,单声道的音色要好,显得更为通透宽松,演绎自如流畅;而立体声则要显得生硬、单薄,有点拘束;在这点上我更喜欢单声道版,比较耐听和舒服
最后编辑yudeanwu 最后编辑于 2011-12-27 08:58:40
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22#

音是什么?色彩中的一个像素,大衣中的一缕羊绒。离开“结构”他们就不是作品。
什么“音”属于什么作品-----这是钢琴家的工作,标准多。

关于Backhaus,他单声道的“音”特别有力,当它们特别多的时候,作品也一定最有力么? 晚期立体声录音为什么一定是 “妥协,牺牲,不得已。。。” 的产物?有没有可能是对作品的重新认识,顺便重塑了自己以往“孔武有力”的ID呢?

坊间星火相传的评论/答案/真理,有参考价值。个人通过海量聆听锻炼出的认识能力,才是最牛B的礼物。
茶树菇没问题。
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原帖由 洗牌出碟 于 2011-12-28 0:36:00 发表
音是什么?色彩中的一个像素,大衣中的一缕羊绒。离开“结构”他们就不是作品。
什么“音”属于什么作品-----这是钢琴家的工作,标准多。

关于Backhaus,他单声道的“音”特别有力,当它们特别多的时候,作品也一定最有力么? 晚期立体声录音为什么一定是 “妥协,牺牲,不得已。。。” 的产物?有没有可能是对作品的重新认识,顺便重塑了自己以往“孔武有力”的ID呢?

坊间星火相传的评论/答


兄台所说甚是。只是我个人倒没觉得巴克的单声道“孔武有力”,孔武有力用在吉尔列斯身上可能更为恰当些,所以在我看来是适合的。从结构上来看我觉得两版无太大差异,节奏速度控制相差不大,整体上立体声稍稍慢一点,像“华尔斯坦”基本是同一速度。讲到音色,估计很多人的概念和看法都有所区别,这还真不好说。毕竟我们听的是录音作品,中间很多因素会影响演绎的真实效果,呵呵。当然个人完全没有否定立体声版,只是个偏好问题,大师的东西哪是我此等角色能评说得了的,故纯属个人喜好,一家之言,最终我是两版兼收
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回复 23# yudeanwu 的帖子

的确,同一位钢琴家的AB录音而已,偏爱哪套都正常。

另外,Backhaus的确比吉列尔斯劲儿更大,也更诚实。
后者内种类似“强弱弱,弱弱极弱强弱弱”的操作程序,每每展现出的动态规律性的一波接着一波,只是显得即有力又合情理。
茶树菇没问题。
http://shop33364517.taobao.com/ 维特根斯坦音乐小店
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原帖由 洗牌出碟 于 2011-12-28 15:27:00 发表
的确,同一位钢琴家的AB录音而已,偏爱哪套都正常。

另外,Backhaus的确比吉列尔斯劲儿更大,也更诚实。
后者内种类似“强弱弱,弱弱极弱强弱弱”的操作程序,每每展现出的动态规律性的一波接着一波,只是显得即有力又合情理。


精辟,学习了
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26#

老毛子搞什么都喜欢讲故事(伟大的吉列尔斯、李赫特也不例外),听多了他们以后,再听听狮王、肯普夫,甚至布伦德尔,马上觉得亲切自然。但是凡事有两面,老毛子们的音色太好啦,谁能抵挡这种诱惑呢,呵呵。
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DECCA推出巴老大全集是大势所趋,等着吧
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原帖由 江月 于 2011-12-29 10:08:00 发表
DECCA推出巴老大全集是大势所趋,等着吧


有没有发现环球搞大包子的思路与Sony、EMI有所不同。Sony和EMI喜欢按艺术家清货,前者有original jacket,后者有Icon大卫杜普雷和现在的切利;环球更喜欢按作曲家清货。换句话说,环球对待超级大包子的态度还是比较保守的,喜欢留一手,所以还要等一阵子。
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肯普夫的大包已上市了,巴老的还远吗
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4790014
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回复 29# 江月 的帖子

好吧,手头刚买了一堆肯普夫,现在欲哭无泪了。看着刚到的肯普夫贝钢奏(尼玛偏偏还是立体声的)想shi的心都有了
Backhaus
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对于我们 入门 者来说    是好事  
一张肯普夫都没有   啊
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一般一套大全集中不会有立体声单声道同一曲目同时有的。

原帖由 江月 于 2011-12-29 10:08:00 发表
DECCA推出巴老大全集是大势所趋,等着吧
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回复 32# wukeming 的帖子

狮王全集decca倒是出过,很漂亮,里面还有个小铜像。曾经看到过,但太贵没下手,不知是否包含了单声道的。但出全集得看时间,肯普夫那个明摆着是纪念去世20周年,狮王要出的话,得2014-15或者2019-20了
最后编辑kbohm 最后编辑于 2011-12-30 12:21:03
Backhaus
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原帖由 江月 于 2011-12-29 15:11:00 发表
肯普夫的大包已上市了,巴老的还远吗
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4790014

不可能吧,平均律还是全集?
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原帖由 江月 于 2011-12-29 15:11:00 发表
肯普夫的大包已上市了,巴老的还远吗
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4790014

这个比较讨厌,肯普夫一堆了,就差几张啊。
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原帖由 江月 于 2011-12-29 15:11:00 发表
肯普夫的大包已上市了,巴老的还远吗
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/DG/4790014

里面没有贝钢协?贝钢奏是单声道的还是立体声的?
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回复 37# 星外星 的帖子

贝钢奏是立体声,贝钢协没有,因为是The Complete Solo Recordings
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這個全集原來是雙cd硬盒, 合共兩個, 還以為是環保包...

日本的包裝做的很精緻 ...
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这个太好了,要捧场。“贝钢奏是立体声”,太体贴了啊。。。
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